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Post  Kleanthes on Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:10 am

Please fix this:

Shanky Technologies Holdem Version 5.8.1: Hand: Qd Ah
Players = 6 have AQ
Raise if no raises but fold if 2+ raises cold. Call in blinds if more calls
hands played in session = 32
in timer: players = 6, folds in game= 1, raises = 0, checks = 0, calls = 0, bets = 0, folds = 1
casino = UB, game = No Limit Tourny, BB = 40.00, Pot = 1 BBs, Stack = 1120.00, TI = 0 BBs
Default Profile: "SHSNG4.0", Action = raise 3 force
typing 160
clicking Bet It
in timer: players = 6, folds in game= 5, raises = 1, checks = 0, calls = 0, bets = 0, folds = 5
casino = UB, game = No Limit Tourny, BB = 40.00, Pot = 9 BBs, Stack = 960.00, TI = 4 BBs
Default Profile: "SHSNG4.0", Action = fold force
clicking Fold
POKERCHIP989 wins (380 chips).

the profile folded AQ getting 39 to 1 odds and Villian is allin.
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Post  Kleanthes on Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:56 am

Shanky Technologies Holdem Version 5.8.2: Hand: 3s 2s
Players = 5 Fold
hands played in session = 65
in timer: players = 5, folds in game= 2, raises = 0, checks = 0, calls = 3, bets = 0, folds = 2
casino = UB, game = No Limit Tourny, BB = 150.00, Pot = 4 BBs, Stack = 1255.00, TI = 0 BBs
In Big Blind
Default Profile: "SHSNG4.0", Action = fold force
clicking Check
Flop: Qh 4c 3c
Board: 2 suits no possible straight
have bottom pair
in timer: players = 5, folds in game= 2, raises = 0, checks = 1, calls = 0, bets = 0, folds = 0
casino = UB, game = No Limit Tourny, BB = 150.00, Pot = 4 BBs, Stack = 1255.00, TI = 1 BBs
opponents = 3, position = middle
If Pot Size >= 9 big blinds Play if no raise else fold
Default Profile: "SHSNG4.0", Action = fold force
clicking Check
Turn: Qh 4c 3c 4s
Board: Pair no possible straight two of one suit
have any two pair
also no betting on flop
in timer: players = 5, folds in game= 2, raises = 0, checks = 1, calls = 0, bets = 0, folds = 0
casino = UB, game = No Limit Tourny, BB = 150.00, Pot = 4 BBs, Stack = 1255.00, TI = 1 BBs
opponents = 3, position = middle
Fold or Bet if checked and fold for a raise
Default Profile: "SHSNG4.0", Action = fold force
clicking Check
River: Qh 4c 3c 4s 2c
Board: Pair possible flush three of one suit (possible straight or not)
in timer: players = 5, folds in game= 2, raises = 0, checks = 0, calls = 0, bets = 1, folds = 0
casino = UB, game = No Limit Tourny, BB = 150.00, Pot = 6 BBs, Stack = 1255.00, TI = 1 BBs
opponents = 3, position = middle
Fold
Default Profile: "SHSNG4.0", Action = raisemax force
typing 1255
clicking Bet It
DESERTDOG5 wins (3,110) with (Flush, king high).
poker window not found. Attempting to re-establish connection
could not find poker window 5827200
The supported poker rooms are - Bodog, UB, Cake, Redstar, BetNGo, WilliamHill, Titan, Carbon, Players Only and Sportsbook.com
Please make sure that a Hold'em table is open from one of the above rooms before clicking start

the profile has 2Pair and Q kicker.... flush on board multiway... why RR?

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Re: Please fix this

Post  placebo on Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:06 pm

Kleanthes wrote:Please fix this:

Shanky Technologies Holdem Version 5.8.1: Hand: Qd Ah
Players = 6 have AQ
Raise if no raises but fold if 2+ raises cold. Call in blinds if more calls
hands played in session = 32
in timer: players = 6, folds in game= 1, raises = 0, checks = 0, calls = 0, bets = 0, folds = 1
casino = UB, game = No Limit Tourny, BB = 40.00, Pot = 1 BBs, Stack = 1120.00, TI = 0 BBs
Default Profile: "SHSNG4.0", Action = raise 3 force
typing 160
clicking Bet It
in timer: players = 6, folds in game= 5, raises = 1, checks = 0, calls = 0, bets = 0, folds = 5
casino = UB, game = No Limit Tourny, BB = 40.00, Pot = 9 BBs, Stack = 960.00, TI = 4 BBs
Default Profile: "SHSNG4.0", Action = fold force
clicking Fold
POKERCHIP989 wins (380 chips).

the profile folded AQ getting 39 to 1 odds and Villian is allin.
Thanks

according to propper SNG play in the early stages of a sng we are in survival mode. There is no need to blow out 380 chips early on against a middle pair or sth on a coin flip. No, we want to survive longer and wait for a better situation to get our chips involved and RAISE our sng-winning-equity to get into the money.

The above hand would be just a gamble ... I like the play. I would also have layed that down and saved my chips. IMHO - good code and behaviour in this hand.

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Re: Please fix this

Post  placebo on Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:10 pm

Kleanthes wrote:Shanky Technologies Holdem Version 5.8.2: Hand: 3s 2s
Players = 5 Fold
hands played in session = 65
in timer: players = 5, folds in game= 2, raises = 0, checks = 0, calls = 3, bets = 0, folds = 2
casino = UB, game = No Limit Tourny, BB = 150.00, Pot = 4 BBs, Stack = 1255.00, TI = 0 BBs
In Big Blind
....
DESERTDOG5 wins (3,110) with (Flush, king high).
poker window not found. Attempting to re-establish connection
could not find poker window 5827200
The supported poker rooms are - Bodog, UB, Cake, Redstar, BetNGo, WilliamHill, Titan, Carbon, Players Only and Sportsbook.com
Please make sure that a Hold'em table is open from one of the above rooms before clicking start

the profile has 2Pair and Q kicker.... flush on board multiway... why RR?

I also think unless we are committed and we are NOT in this hand, we must call only in this hand, if there is a small bet in front of us, or we abord mission and fold! Cant raise here against possible straights and flushes and full-houses, trips, sets. Lol so much can beat us Smile

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Re: Please fix this

Post  Admin on Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:11 pm

Hi nothing wrong with any of those plays.

first one you had AQ and were not pot committed all in with that is only going against AK AA KK or a high pocket pair so you folded.


Secolnd hand you just got unlucky as if you check the log you are pot comitted on the river and short stacked so 2 pair all in good move just unlucky

Thanks for your update but im not changing this play as in the long run this is the best possible way to win more games
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Post  placebo on Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:17 pm

hmm he is in the big blind and therefore has not invested any chips, since the blinds are not counted as investment, but are dead money.

Is he really comitted? It is borderline ... BB 150 , below 10 Big Blinds left. A two pair hand at the river. In live play, I would have folded this probably and shoved soon thereafter.

I in the end agree with mikebo, but it is borderline and with all the info we have in this hand I would not have played it this way.

I can imagine however that in the long-run this behaviour could be +ev ... we will see how the testing continues ... I have now around 65 beginner sng's played and the results are good.

2,20$ Beginner SNG's: 65
ITM: 61%
ROI: 10%

so these results are not so bad Smile

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Post  Admin on Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:34 pm

placebo wrote:hmm he is in the big blind and therefore has not invested any chips, since the blinds are not counted as investment, but are dead money.

Is he really comitted? It is borderline ... BB 150 , below 10 Big Blinds left. A two pair hand at the river. In live play, I would have folded this probably and shoved soon thereafter.

I in the end agree with mikebo, but it is borderline and with all the info we have in this hand I would not have played it this way.

I can imagine however that in the long-run this behaviour could be +ev ... we will see how the testing continues ... I have now around 65 beginner sng's played and the results are good.

2,20$ Beginner SNG's: 65
ITM: 61%
ROI: 10%

so these results are not so bad Smile
As you say borderline committed however under 10BB are you folding 2 pair on te river or shoving and hope iE a fold or that the hand has not been made.

You are then in a position of having to shove again with possibly a lesser hand soon after anyway. but I could have a look just to make sure its right with the code

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Post  Admin on Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:35 pm

so good they named him twice lol lol!
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Re: Please fix this

Post  Kleanthes on Sat Mar 19, 2011 1:08 am

placebo wrote:
Kleanthes wrote:Please fix this:

Shanky Technologies Holdem Version 5.8.1: Hand: Qd Ah
Players = 6 have AQ
Raise if no raises but fold if 2+ raises cold. Call in blinds if more calls
hands played in session = 32
in timer: players = 6, folds in game= 1, raises = 0, checks = 0, calls = 0, bets = 0, folds = 1
casino = UB, game = No Limit Tourny, BB = 40.00, Pot = 1 BBs, Stack = 1120.00, TI = 0 BBs
Default Profile: "SHSNG4.0", Action = raise 3 force
typing 160
clicking Bet It
in timer: players = 6, folds in game= 5, raises = 1, checks = 0, calls = 0, bets = 0, folds = 5
casino = UB, game = No Limit Tourny, BB = 40.00, Pot = 9 BBs, Stack = 960.00, TI = 4 BBs
Default Profile: "SHSNG4.0", Action = fold force
clicking Fold
POKERCHIP989 wins (380 chips).

the profile folded AQ getting 39 to 1 odds and Villian is allin.
Thanks

according to propper SNG play in the early stages of a sng we are in survival mode. There is no need to blow out 380 chips early on against a middle pair or sth on a coin flip. No, we want to survive longer and wait for a better situation to get our chips involved and RAISE our sng-winning-equity to get into the money.

The above hand would be just a gamble ... I like the play. I would also have layed that down and saved my chips. IMHO - good code and behaviour in this hand.

THIS IS A BUG! We are getting 39 to 1 odds on our call! How can you say it is a gamble to call an preflop allin with AQ getting 39 to 1 odds? It is just 10 more chips to call!

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Re: Please fix this

Post  Admin on Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:34 am

Kleanthes wrote:
placebo wrote:
Kleanthes wrote:Please fix this:

Shanky Technologies Holdem Version 5.8.1: Hand: Qd Ah
Players = 6 have AQ
Raise if no raises but fold if 2+ raises cold. Call in blinds if more calls
hands played in session = 32
in timer: players = 6, folds in game= 1, raises = 0, checks = 0, calls = 0, bets = 0, folds = 1
casino = UB, game = No Limit Tourny, BB = 40.00, Pot = 1 BBs, Stack = 1120.00, TI = 0 BBs
Default Profile: "SHSNG4.0", Action = raise 3 force
typing 160
clicking Bet It
in timer: players = 6, folds in game= 5, raises = 1, checks = 0, calls = 0, bets = 0, folds = 5
casino = UB, game = No Limit Tourny, BB = 40.00, Pot = 9 BBs, Stack = 960.00, TI = 4 BBs
Default Profile: "SHSNG4.0", Action = fold force
clicking Fold
POKERCHIP989 wins (380 chips).

the profile folded AQ getting 39 to 1 odds and Villian is allin.
Thanks

according to propper SNG play in the early stages of a sng we are in survival mode. There is no need to blow out 380 chips early on against a middle pair or sth on a coin flip. No, we want to survive longer and wait for a better situation to get our chips involved and RAISE our sng-winning-equity to get into the money.

The above hand would be just a gamble ... I like the play. I would also have layed that down and saved my chips. IMHO - good code and behaviour in this hand.

THIS IS A BUG! We are getting 39 to 1 odds on our call! How can you say it is a gamble to call an preflop allin with AQ getting 39 to 1 odds? It is just 10 more chips to call!
Let me take a look at this and see what the code did as if 10 chips was all it had to call it should have made the call.

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Post  Admin on Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:38 pm

Can't find the code that would fold in this situation but I will issue a temp fix by adding some backup code in the autoprofileholdem file and post it up later. I will add it into the next full update due next month.

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